WEBVTT 00:00:00.697 --> 00:00:06.497 Well, hey, all you wiretappers out there, there's that little special extra for you guys. 00:00:06.957 --> 00:00:14.437 Because of the passing of Pete Rose, former MLB star, I want to talk about what happened to him. 00:00:14.917 --> 00:00:18.577 He died of natural causes last week at age 83. 00:00:19.077 --> 00:00:22.217 You know, this guy was a hell of a ballplayer. I'm sure most, 00:00:22.337 --> 00:00:25.617 I think everybody should know who he is, but if you don't, I'm going to tell 00:00:25.617 --> 00:00:26.377 you a little bit about him. 00:00:26.757 --> 00:00:30.517 He mainly played with the Cincinnati Reds. He also played with the Phillies 00:00:30.517 --> 00:00:35.237 and maybe the Expos for a short period of time, but mainly the Phillies and the Reds. 00:00:35.517 --> 00:00:40.737 He set Cincinnati Reds franchise records like you couldn't believe, 00:00:40.777 --> 00:00:42.337 and he became the face of the Reds. 00:00:42.497 --> 00:00:47.477 After he retired from baseball, he became the Reds' manager for a period of time. 00:00:47.517 --> 00:00:51.937 We remember him pretty well in Kansas City because he played for the Phillies 00:00:51.937 --> 00:00:54.977 in 1980, and they beat us in the seventh game of the 80s series. 00:00:54.977 --> 00:01:01.077 He's a Cincinnati native, and he was the all-time leader for the Cincinnati 00:01:01.077 --> 00:01:08.177 Reds in games played, 2,722, played appearances, 12,344. 00:01:08.817 --> 00:01:21.557 Runs scored, 1,741, hits, 3,358, singles, 2,490, doubles, 601, and walks, 1,210. 00:01:21.557 --> 00:01:27.117 I guess he wasn't a big home run hitter, but anyhow, he was a hell of a player. 00:01:27.277 --> 00:01:32.437 Plus, defensively, he was magnificent. He was hustling all the time. 00:01:32.717 --> 00:01:37.437 And his whole career, he had 4,256 hits. 00:01:37.597 --> 00:01:40.777 Now, anybody that goes over 4,000 hits is a pretty big deal in baseball. 00:01:41.237 --> 00:01:45.877 He was a hustler like you couldn't believe, both on the field and off the field. 00:01:46.517 --> 00:01:50.217 You know, once early in his career, he drew a lot of criticism for taking out 00:01:50.217 --> 00:01:54.437 a catcher in an all-star game when, you know, there's nothing at stake there. 00:01:54.677 --> 00:02:00.817 But he is blasted home, and the ball beats him home, and he just takes out that catcher. 00:02:01.057 --> 00:02:04.937 He played with complete abandon, if you ever remember seeing him play. 00:02:05.517 --> 00:02:09.017 But he had an Achilles heel, and that's why we're here today. 00:02:09.397 --> 00:02:13.097 He was either a gambling addict, or at the very least, he wanted to gamble on 00:02:13.097 --> 00:02:16.717 sports so bad that he risked his entire career. 00:02:17.755 --> 00:02:23.175 Over several years as he placed bets on baseball and other sporting events. 00:02:23.175 --> 00:02:24.555 He liked basketball, too. 00:02:25.415 --> 00:02:30.415 But he placed these bets with mob-connected bookies, and either it was directly 00:02:30.415 --> 00:02:34.695 to a mob-connected bookie or it was to a guy who was like a picker would, 00:02:34.795 --> 00:02:36.955 but he was connected to the mob. 00:02:37.035 --> 00:02:40.055 Because if you're going to bet with a sports bookie, trust me, 00:02:40.135 --> 00:02:42.135 you're within one degree of the mafia. 00:02:42.635 --> 00:02:46.475 Because of his recent death, I want to take a look and see what evidence they 00:02:46.475 --> 00:02:51.395 had that caused Major League Baseball to react so strongly, because they banned 00:02:51.395 --> 00:02:54.195 him from ever participating in any league activities. 00:02:54.195 --> 00:02:59.535 He was already retired when this came out, and this ban has kept him from induction 00:02:59.535 --> 00:03:01.035 in the Baseball Hall of Fame. 00:03:01.215 --> 00:03:06.395 A lot of controversy about that. Now that he's dead, I got a feeling they might put him in. 00:03:06.395 --> 00:03:09.875 But if he had not got caught 00:03:09.875 --> 00:03:12.695 up in the betting scandals and that hadn't 00:03:12.695 --> 00:03:15.835 come out he would have gone in the hall of fame at the very earliest 00:03:15.835 --> 00:03:18.735 opportunity on the because of his skills on the field 00:03:18.735 --> 00:03:21.495 you know and i forgot i think i say i always 00:03:21.495 --> 00:03:24.395 think of him as being with the reds but i should remember 00:03:24.395 --> 00:03:27.055 that he played with the phillies in 1980 he played in the 00:03:27.055 --> 00:03:30.215 70s and most of his career with the cincinnati reds 00:03:30.215 --> 00:03:32.955 but but he played with the phillies in 1980 he played 00:03:32.955 --> 00:03:36.055 against us beat the royals in the world series in 1980 i'd 00:03:36.055 --> 00:03:38.795 forgotten all about that i remember watching him he 00:03:38.795 --> 00:03:41.955 was he played with a passion that guy played 00:03:41.955 --> 00:03:45.175 at 150 000 miles an hour every play 00:03:45.175 --> 00:03:50.395 i don't know you know i read somewhere about one of his wives or his wife was 00:03:50.395 --> 00:03:55.435 seen going to kmart wearing a you know like a ten thousand dollar fur coat driving 00:03:55.435 --> 00:04:00.815 a rolls royce so he was kind of uh kind of one of those kind of The guy is a 00:04:00.815 --> 00:04:04.615 guy from a humble background that made it big, 00:04:04.635 --> 00:04:07.055 but it's hard for him to deal with that. 00:04:07.155 --> 00:04:12.895 I know a kid that played baseball up in about a little bit younger than my son, and I knew the family. 00:04:13.095 --> 00:04:18.275 And, you know, the dad worked at the Ford plant as a forklift driver, 00:04:18.275 --> 00:04:21.575 and they were from South Missouri, and they were just, they were nice people, 00:04:21.695 --> 00:04:23.695 and they were country people, and they lived real simply. 00:04:23.695 --> 00:04:29.455 And this kid went on to become a major league pitcher, and I think he's gone 00:04:29.455 --> 00:04:31.815 now because they don't last that long. 00:04:31.935 --> 00:04:35.635 But he was a big time. I won't mention the names, but he was a big time pitcher, 00:04:35.635 --> 00:04:39.895 but he came from really humble backgrounds. So I had to imagine what effect 00:04:39.895 --> 00:04:41.735 that would have had on that family. 00:04:41.955 --> 00:04:44.915 I remember, like, you know, none of the kids went to college that I remember. 00:04:45.415 --> 00:04:48.795 The one brother is a little bit older, was more Scott's age. 00:04:48.935 --> 00:04:53.255 He worked, he was an auto mechanic. I took my car to an auto shop up north there 00:04:53.255 --> 00:04:57.395 where I used to live, and he was working as the auto mechanic in there. 00:04:57.555 --> 00:05:01.135 So, you know, this kid goes on and becomes a multimillionaire in the end. 00:05:01.641 --> 00:05:05.741 Now, you know, you've got family with this really humble background, 00:05:05.741 --> 00:05:08.341 people that make working man's 00:05:08.341 --> 00:05:12.541 wages, but yet you've got one family member who's a multimillionaire. 00:05:12.621 --> 00:05:16.341 I wonder how that plays out. So I hope he took care of his family at Christmas 00:05:16.341 --> 00:05:21.681 time and I hope he set up his brother in his own repair shop if he wanted to do it. 00:05:21.681 --> 00:05:25.901 Back in the day, in the 70s, when he was this hotshot player, 00:05:25.901 --> 00:05:27.741 he was the king of baseball back then. 00:05:28.281 --> 00:05:31.761 He hooked up with a guy named Ronnie Peters out of Dayton, Ohio. 00:05:32.121 --> 00:05:39.401 And Ronnie Peters was actually controlled by the Chicago Outfit Gambling Organization. 00:05:39.781 --> 00:05:43.021 You know, a lot of these, you know, these Peckerwoods, Ronnie Peters, 00:05:43.141 --> 00:05:48.481 a guy like that, he's pretty well got to be hooked up with a outfit in the Midwest 00:05:48.481 --> 00:05:50.261 like that with an outfit bookie. 00:05:50.861 --> 00:05:55.441 He's got to kick bets up, but he's got to kick money up. He's got to have somebody to lay off to. 00:05:55.701 --> 00:06:03.601 He may need protection. But he was kicking up to a Chicago outfit mob crew leader named Dominic Basso. 00:06:04.061 --> 00:06:09.741 And Basso, he was in charge of all gambling operations in suburban DuPage County, 00:06:09.861 --> 00:06:16.181 Illinois, all of his life. But he also reached out into other places in the Midwest. 00:06:16.941 --> 00:06:23.021 You might wonder how they got on to Pete Rose. Not really going after Pete Rose, 00:06:23.101 --> 00:06:24.801 they were going after Dominic Basso. 00:06:25.661 --> 00:06:28.561 And they got his telephone. 00:06:29.741 --> 00:06:33.021 Back in the day, they had the mobile phones that you could put in your car. 00:06:33.021 --> 00:06:36.081 They weren't really too mobile. They were pretty big. 00:06:36.201 --> 00:06:41.041 But they got on his mobile phone, got his mobile phone, and got some numbers, and started into it. 00:06:41.041 --> 00:06:48.201 And for some reason, I think Major League Baseball had already hired a thing 00:06:48.201 --> 00:06:52.521 called, a company called Business Risk International out of Oak Brook, 00:06:52.841 --> 00:06:54.601 Illinois. I think that's a suburb of Chicago. 00:06:54.861 --> 00:06:59.261 And there's a former FBI agent who met with one of the prosecutors, 00:06:59.561 --> 00:07:04.981 one of the DuPage County prosecutors, which that guy won't confirm or deny. 00:07:05.581 --> 00:07:10.421 And he was able to inspect the Basso court file and all the evidence. 00:07:10.721 --> 00:07:15.941 In that evidence, they found a list of 130 bettors, all identified by co-names 00:07:15.941 --> 00:07:18.081 with amounts of money next to those numbers. 00:07:18.261 --> 00:07:23.361 And the prosecutor would say that those numbers, that amounts of money total 00:07:23.361 --> 00:07:28.221 more than $225,000, which is a lot of money for one person. 00:07:28.401 --> 00:07:32.981 It indicated to them he was more of a supervisor over other bookies. 00:07:33.753 --> 00:07:39.693 Which would then lend credence to the allegation that this Ronnie Peters out 00:07:39.693 --> 00:07:44.493 of Dayton, Ohio, was dealing with Dominic Basso out of Chicago. 00:07:44.713 --> 00:07:48.393 They ended up creating a report called the Dowd Report. 00:07:48.593 --> 00:07:52.053 The Dowd Report's kind of the go-to document. If you want to look that up, 00:07:52.173 --> 00:07:54.253 folks, look up the DOWD Report. 00:07:54.753 --> 00:07:59.353 Talks about where Rose would even bet directly with Dominic Basso, 00:07:59.713 --> 00:08:03.513 phoning him and his Chicago residents to call in his bets. 00:08:03.753 --> 00:08:05.853 Now, he denied knowing Basso. 00:08:06.233 --> 00:08:13.553 His original bookie, Ronnie Peters out of Dayton, Ohio, he ended up getting shot. 00:08:13.933 --> 00:08:18.233 He survived it in 2002, but he got shot. I don't know what he did exactly, 00:08:18.413 --> 00:08:19.993 but that happens to many of these guys. 00:08:20.193 --> 00:08:25.573 January of 1991, the Chicago Crime Commission public identified Dominic Basso 00:08:25.573 --> 00:08:28.833 in a report titled Organized Crime in Chicago, 1990. 00:08:28.833 --> 00:08:33.813 He was identified as working for mob chieftains Ernest Rocco Infelice, 00:08:34.813 --> 00:08:39.153 Donald Angelini, Dominic Cortina, and Salvatore De Laurentiis. 00:08:39.473 --> 00:08:43.933 When he ended up playing for the Phillies, that's when he went to the Philadelphia mob guys. 00:08:44.093 --> 00:08:48.733 But let's finish off with the Chicago connection because that's really where they got him. 00:08:48.893 --> 00:08:52.433 He made calls, listed to Bassos. 00:08:53.855 --> 00:09:00.255 Home to other Basso-operated sports betting operations. He denied knowing Basso. 00:09:01.135 --> 00:09:05.295 Now, when he gets to Philly, he starts dealing with somebody else. 00:09:05.435 --> 00:09:09.795 When he first arrived in Philadelphia in 1979, he began betting through bookies 00:09:09.795 --> 00:09:13.175 connected to area mob figures Ralph Jr. 00:09:13.635 --> 00:09:23.155 Staino, Joseph Joypung Pungitore, and FBI and other street sources have confirmed that. 00:09:23.855 --> 00:09:27.955 During the 1980s, he got hooked up with a Staten Island, New York-based bookie 00:09:27.955 --> 00:09:33.575 named Richard Big Val Troy and began betting even larger amounts of money on 00:09:33.575 --> 00:09:34.875 different sports through him. 00:09:35.475 --> 00:09:40.755 Big Val Troy was linked to the Bonanno, Colombo, and Genovese crime families. 00:09:41.175 --> 00:09:50.835 By the mid-'80s, Pete Rose, according to this Dowd report, owed this Troy $200,000 in gambling debts. 00:09:50.835 --> 00:09:55.615 Troy was eventually busted in 2003 for illegal union activity, 00:09:55.615 --> 00:09:59.115 and it was connected with the organized crime family in New York. 00:09:59.115 --> 00:10:09.195 He was busted in the same investigation with three different mob guys of the 00:10:09.195 --> 00:10:11.235 Columbo and Genovese family. 00:10:11.455 --> 00:10:18.275 John Jackie Zambuca de Ross with the Columbos, Ernest Ernie Boy Muscalera, 00:10:18.475 --> 00:10:22.295 and Pasquale Scoop de Luca of the Genovese crime family. 00:10:23.035 --> 00:10:30.075 The Dowd report includes testimony from people that Rose bet as much as $2,000 00:10:30.075 --> 00:10:36.595 on the Reds in every one of the 52 games over the two-month period of 1987, and he won 29 times. 00:10:36.955 --> 00:10:42.015 They also detail in that report baseball bets in 1985 and 1986. 00:10:42.015 --> 00:10:45.035 They never did accuse him of betting against his own team. 00:10:45.155 --> 00:10:47.295 It's not really that he was... 00:10:48.391 --> 00:10:52.151 But how much he was betting, as much as it was as who he was betting with, 00:10:52.391 --> 00:10:58.831 that he put himself in danger and risk of exposure to these mobsters, 00:10:58.991 --> 00:11:02.031 which could then turn around and use it as blackmail. 00:11:02.251 --> 00:11:07.951 They had in a Dowd report, they have a taped conversation between a man named 00:11:07.951 --> 00:11:12.091 Bertolini, who was Rose's partner in Hit King Market Incorporated. 00:11:12.631 --> 00:11:16.831 This is a company that represents autograph a member of baseball memorabilia 00:11:16.831 --> 00:11:24.531 shows. Now, Pete Rose is big in selling his autograph and baseball member a billion. 00:11:24.671 --> 00:11:28.411 That's kind of how he made money after he got booted out of baseball. 00:11:28.891 --> 00:11:35.471 In this, his partner is a Mr. Jansen, and he will allege that he placed thousands 00:11:35.471 --> 00:11:37.351 of dollars in baseball bets for Rose. 00:11:37.931 --> 00:11:43.551 And in some of these taped conversations, Bertolini acknowledges Rose's enormous 00:11:43.551 --> 00:11:47.011 indebtedness to New York bookmakers and said, he, Bertolini, 00:11:47.071 --> 00:11:51.091 is the only proof of Rose's betting he would die before he told on Rose. 00:11:51.491 --> 00:11:54.811 When confronted with this tape, Rose said Bertolini was lying. 00:11:55.271 --> 00:12:02.511 This conversation was between Rose's partner Bertolini and one of his bookies, a guy named Jansen. 00:12:03.031 --> 00:12:07.011 I don't know how, I mean, Rose would have to say Bertolini was lying. 00:12:07.351 --> 00:12:11.811 When he said he knew that he was betting on baseball and he was the only proof 00:12:11.811 --> 00:12:14.311 of Rose's betting. Otherwise, it just makes it true. 00:12:15.071 --> 00:12:19.911 Jansen alleged that he went to Rose's attorney, a guy named Reuven Katz, 00:12:20.091 --> 00:12:25.151 in 1988, seeking payment of debts from Rose and told Katz that Rose had bet on baseball. 00:12:25.351 --> 00:12:32.391 So his little hidden secret was going to leak out sooner or later. 00:12:32.651 --> 00:12:37.391 Now, also in the Dowd Report, There's copies of purported betting sheets. 00:12:38.372 --> 00:12:41.972 Obtained from Rose's home, which contained baseball and basketball gambling 00:12:41.972 --> 00:12:46.772 activity with a win or a W or an L, a win or a lose next to each team. 00:12:46.912 --> 00:12:52.372 I did that once on a bookie. I got his trash and we had, he had all these betting 00:12:52.372 --> 00:12:54.272 sheets where he had been taking bets. 00:12:54.372 --> 00:12:57.992 I could decipher them and I could figure out how many bettors he had. 00:12:58.172 --> 00:13:02.832 I just had like code names, initials and in the mound, there's 28 teams. 00:13:03.352 --> 00:13:07.072 And so they would play 14 games every week. So anytime, if you're looking at 00:13:07.072 --> 00:13:11.292 something a bookie has, if there's a list of numbers and there's 14 numbers 00:13:11.292 --> 00:13:15.172 or how, you know, now there's more, I believe, but there's 14 numbers, 00:13:15.292 --> 00:13:17.492 then there's, there's 14 contests every weekend. 00:13:17.612 --> 00:13:20.412 You know, you've got the list that that's like a giveaway. 00:13:20.652 --> 00:13:24.232 That's something you could testify that, yeah, this is a list of the sporting 00:13:24.232 --> 00:13:28.272 events that weekend. Then you got to decipher the other numbers and what do those mean? 00:13:29.032 --> 00:13:32.592 And, you know, they're pretty simple. Sometimes you put a W or L next to them. 00:13:32.592 --> 00:13:36.272 I'm not sure how this Dowd report came into possession of these sheets, 00:13:36.452 --> 00:13:40.432 but they got them, and they tied them to his home. 00:13:40.572 --> 00:13:44.372 It's also included on these sheets were notations of April 10th, 00:13:44.432 --> 00:13:49.452 11th, 1987, and next to those dates, it had the Cincinnati Reds, 00:13:49.492 --> 00:13:53.992 and they were designated with a W, and the Reds did beat San Diego on both those dates. 00:13:54.612 --> 00:13:59.792 Handwriting expert looked at those notes and testified that Rose was the author 00:13:59.792 --> 00:14:02.592 of the hand-printed and numerical entries on those sheets. 00:14:03.292 --> 00:14:08.592 I also had a statement of this Ronald Peters, who will leave by 2003, will get shot. 00:14:08.852 --> 00:14:14.232 Franklin, Ohio bookmaker Ronald Peters, and he testified that Rose won $27,000 00:14:14.232 --> 00:14:19.332 in May of 1987 and $40,000 in June of 1987 on baseball bets, 00:14:19.492 --> 00:14:22.932 which include games on the Reds in which he was playing in that contest. 00:14:22.932 --> 00:14:28.052 Peter said that he refused to pay Rose all this money because Rose owed him 00:14:28.052 --> 00:14:30.212 from previous losses of $34,000. 00:14:30.792 --> 00:14:37.472 He actually filed a lawsuit on this. I probably filed for an injunction to lift 00:14:37.472 --> 00:14:40.792 the ban from baseball, more than likely, presented evidence, 00:14:41.072 --> 00:14:43.272 got a denial in lower court. 00:14:43.272 --> 00:14:47.272 They appealed it in the federal system, appealed it to the appellate court, 00:14:47.292 --> 00:14:52.192 and they denied any way to move it back to state court. 00:14:52.392 --> 00:15:01.972 So I'd say he was pretty well done, except for just the graciousness and the 00:15:01.972 --> 00:15:04.892 goodness of Major League Baseball, and they're not giving in. 00:15:05.012 --> 00:15:08.712 Although if you noticed, he's still trying to get reinstated in baseball, 00:15:08.712 --> 00:15:14.412 And if you notice during the World Series this last year, he has gotten a job 00:15:14.412 --> 00:15:19.372 as a commentator with one of the, I think, Fox News or somebody. 00:15:19.592 --> 00:15:24.592 But he's in kind of a big-time job as a commentator. I'm not a big Pete Rose fan myself. 00:15:26.021 --> 00:15:30.721 73 years old, still fighting to get reinstated. He's written a book. 00:15:30.901 --> 00:15:35.701 He denied the accusations of his gambling on games that he actually participated in. 00:15:36.281 --> 00:15:41.781 But he did finally admit in this book that he bet on the Reds when he was managing them. 00:15:41.821 --> 00:15:45.041 He managed the Cincinnati Reds from 1984 to 1989. 00:15:45.401 --> 00:15:49.021 He's got a book out, My Prison Without Bars, if you want to learn more about this. 00:15:49.661 --> 00:15:53.661 Now, guys, that was a short story about Pete Rose and his gambling activities. 00:15:53.661 --> 00:15:59.301 Now, any group of baseball fans will find both supporters and haters of Pete Rose. 00:15:59.621 --> 00:16:03.381 Me, I don't particularly like him, probably because of the 1980 World Series. 00:16:04.941 --> 00:16:10.281 I don't think that it's much of a defense that he never bet against his own team. 00:16:10.441 --> 00:16:14.421 So, you know, I didn't bet against my own team, so you can't ever accuse me 00:16:14.421 --> 00:16:18.221 of throwing a game trying to win extra money. You know, I don't know. 00:16:18.321 --> 00:16:24.921 I think that's a pretty slim pig to hang your hat on. 00:16:25.841 --> 00:16:30.561 In my humble opinion, we're trying to maintain a civilization here, guys. 00:16:30.821 --> 00:16:35.001 And just like the mafia or any law enforcement agency or political jurisdiction, 00:16:35.001 --> 00:16:41.561 we can only maintain a civilization if we have rules and everybody has to follow the rules. 00:16:41.561 --> 00:16:45.941 And if everybody that doesn't follow the rules has to pay a penalty for the 00:16:45.941 --> 00:16:47.341 failure to follow the rules. 00:16:47.461 --> 00:16:52.101 Now, I understand some people get away with it for a long time, but mainly they don't. 00:16:52.241 --> 00:16:57.101 And when they don't, then the rest of society sees, hey, there's a penalty to pay. 00:16:57.421 --> 00:17:00.781 And so I'm going to follow the rules. We've got to follow the rules. 00:17:01.441 --> 00:17:06.041 As Neil Delacroix said, you know, without the rules, we got nothing. 00:17:06.981 --> 00:17:10.341 But I do believe in mercy as long as justice has been served. 00:17:10.901 --> 00:17:14.581 In the case of Pete Rose, as much as we hated him here in Kansas City during 00:17:14.581 --> 00:17:21.021 that 80 World Series, I think it's time to let up on his old dead body that 00:17:21.021 --> 00:17:22.481 lies moldering in the grave. 00:17:23.261 --> 00:17:28.381 And I think the message that was sent by MLB or Major League Baseball that kept 00:17:28.381 --> 00:17:31.861 him out of the Hall of Fame, kept him off the baseball field, 00:17:32.261 --> 00:17:37.661 kept him through his entire retirement, except for a few things here recently, 00:17:37.661 --> 00:17:41.061 last couple of three years, they wouldn't allow him, you know, 00:17:41.141 --> 00:17:44.421 to be honored or anything in any stadium. 00:17:44.621 --> 00:17:50.761 And I think that is a message that has not been lost on other major league baseball 00:17:50.761 --> 00:17:52.941 players and other athletes in every sport. 00:17:53.321 --> 00:17:57.701 They let you know what this lets you know what proper behavior is and what it isn't. 00:17:57.861 --> 00:18:03.861 And gambling on your sports that you're playing is not proper behavior. 00:18:04.121 --> 00:18:10.141 In baseball, we have others like San Francisco giant Barry Bonds and Cardinal 00:18:10.141 --> 00:18:15.001 slugger Mark McGuire, who both got caught taking steroids when they broke major 00:18:15.001 --> 00:18:16.261 league home run records. 00:18:16.421 --> 00:18:20.901 So they get an asterisk, I believe, in the record book, and they probably will 00:18:20.901 --> 00:18:23.881 not allow them in the Hall of Fame until maybe after their death. 00:18:24.734 --> 00:18:27.354 So anyhow, you can always get in an argument, but other people think, 00:18:27.414 --> 00:18:31.754 oh, he never bet on his own team to lose. 00:18:31.954 --> 00:18:36.754 So, you know, who cares if he bets? Well, it's like I said, in my opinion, 00:18:36.934 --> 00:18:39.614 my humble opinion, we've got to have rules. We're going to have a civilization. 00:18:40.294 --> 00:18:43.394 And if you don't follow the rules, then there's a price to be paid. 00:18:43.694 --> 00:18:46.994 And for these guys and even their descendants, no matter what happens, 00:18:47.414 --> 00:18:50.394 their careers will always be stained by these scandals. 00:18:50.774 --> 00:18:53.754 Well, let me know what you think in the comments down below. 00:18:53.754 --> 00:18:58.154 We can probably get some real good discussions going on, pro and con on Pete 00:18:58.154 --> 00:19:00.134 Rose going into the Hall of Fame. 00:19:00.314 --> 00:19:03.634 If you have a problem with drugs or alcohol, which I don't think Pete did. 00:19:03.634 --> 00:19:04.794 He had a problem with gambling. 00:19:04.934 --> 00:19:09.634 There's no doubt about it. You know, any addiction, if you have a problem with 00:19:09.634 --> 00:19:14.714 repeated use of activity of whatever you're doing that's causing you a problem, 00:19:14.754 --> 00:19:16.754 you just keep doing it over and over again, 00:19:16.914 --> 00:19:20.294 expecting different results, then it's probably addiction. 00:19:20.294 --> 00:19:24.254 We won't call him a gambling addict, but, you know. And if you do have that 00:19:24.254 --> 00:19:28.834 problem, if you go to the casino a lot and play those machines and you just, 00:19:28.834 --> 00:19:32.854 you can't, you know, you need to know you need to stop, but you can't seem to 00:19:32.854 --> 00:19:34.734 do it. You find yourself down there again. 00:19:35.054 --> 00:19:40.074 Why, you know, there's help for you. There's always, there's 1-800-BETS-OFF-IN-MISSOURI 00:19:40.074 --> 00:19:41.654 and every state that has gambling. 00:19:41.854 --> 00:19:45.794 And on the betting apps, they've got some information about where you can get 00:19:45.794 --> 00:19:47.474 help for the gambling addiction. 00:19:48.734 --> 00:19:52.614 Because those are the guys that end up with loan sharks and those are the guys 00:19:52.614 --> 00:19:57.734 that end up getting beat up and losing jobs and losing businesses and that kind 00:19:57.734 --> 00:19:59.914 of thing. So, you know, it's all up to you. 00:20:00.194 --> 00:20:04.614 If you have a problem with drugs or alcohol only, you can go see Anthony Ruggiano 00:20:04.614 --> 00:20:08.874 down in Florida, former Gambino guy who's now a drug and alcohol counselor. 00:20:08.954 --> 00:20:13.114 He has a hotline on his website or his YouTube page. 00:20:13.154 --> 00:20:15.974 If you have a problem with PTSD and you've been in the service, 00:20:15.974 --> 00:20:19.314 Just be sure and go to the VA website and get that hotline. 00:20:19.934 --> 00:20:23.354 So thanks a lot, guys. You know, I always got stuff to sell. 00:20:23.474 --> 00:20:28.094 We don't need to go down that path. Just check my name and Google my name or 00:20:28.094 --> 00:20:30.234 go to Amazon and see what I've got. 00:20:30.434 --> 00:20:35.754 You know, I tell you what I would like. I'd like to get some more reviews on my New York books. 00:20:35.854 --> 00:20:38.454 You've bought that book, a Kindle book or whatever. 00:20:39.134 --> 00:20:44.634 See if you can't figure out how to get into Amazon and put a review or two on 00:20:44.634 --> 00:20:46.114 that book. So thanks a lot, guys.