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Retired Intelligence Detective Gary Jenkins brings you the best in mob history with his unique perception of the mafia. In this episode, I explore the history of 10 Legendary Black Gangsters, highlighting key figures and organizations from the 1920s to the present day. We discuss the evolution of black organized crime in cities like New York, Detroit, Chicago, and Philadelphia, focusing on prominent individuals such as Nicky Barnes, Samuel Christian, Frank Matthews, and Larry Hoover. The narrative also investigates the international connections of figures like Jeff Fort, founder of Chicago’s El Rukan, and Demetrius Flanory of the Black Mafia Family (BMF). Finally, I look at the emergence of street gangs like the Crips and Bloods in South Central LA. Additionally, we touch on iconic figures like Ellsworth Bumpy Johnson and cinematic portrayals of gangster life in popular media.
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[0:00]
Introduction to Black Gangsters
[0:00]Well, hey, all you wiretappers out there, back here in the studio of Gangland Wire. As most of you know, this is Gary Jenkins, retired Kansas City Police Intelligence Unit detective. And I have a story today.
[0:15]Correction on that. I have a show today that’s going to… Correction on that. I’m going to talk… Correction on that. Today, I’m going to talk about the top 10 black gangsters in all of kind of recorded history, if you will. Now, going back before the war, back in the 30s and 20s, there were black gangsters, but nobody really talked much about them. Going on up into the 40s and 50s, especially the 50s, newspapers started covering that kind of thing. And so there was quite a few pretty well-known guys that were part of their community. And they were, you know, professional criminals. They had an organization. They weren’t exactly the mafia, but they had something going on. It was all built around drugs, I believe, because that was the crime that you can make some real money at. So a big rise of this in the 60s and 70s as civil rights came in and, you know, like after the riots of 1968, There’s a huge shift in really in the black communities and in covering by the newspapers and covering black crime and by the police and their response to black crime. So let’s talk about those days, you know, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia are kind of the most well-known cities when it comes to the history of black organized crime.
[1:42]There were syndicates like the council headed by Nicky Barnes in New York and Philadelphia’s Black Mafia. You may have heard of that. I think I did a show of us around the more later Black Mafia with Sean Patrick Griffin. A man named Samuel Christian led that one in Philadelphia and, you know, illegal gambling and drug drug trafficking. But they also got into fencing, you know, and in Kansas City, we had a Black Mafia or at least what we did. The newspaper’s called the Black Mafia, led by a guy named Doc Dearborn and his partner, Eugene Richardson. And then the Kelton brothers had an organization. And I remember we even stopped a kid named James Calvin Bradley who just got out of the penitentiary. He was an armed robber. And the Kelton brothers had not only a heroin organization going, they had crews of young kids that were going out robbing banks.
[2:40]
Rise of Violent Lifestyle
[2:36]And they were supporting them with cars and guns and laundering the money for them. And James Calvin Bradley, when he was arrested, he had a piece of paper in his car that had all these different rules for an organization laid out, much like the mob. And they were broken down into a couple of crews and they had leaders of those crews and they had rules about, you know, don’t snitching, don’t snitching, don’t talk to the police.
[3:05]You know keep a low profile you know drive a uh cool car uh you know dress in you know normal manner don’t don’t get too loud and too you know now it’s pan sagging back then it was uh really big bell bottoms and some things like that and so you know don’t go out too big of a fro the different rules like that in order to keep the police from paying any attention to them at all now.
[3:34]They were extremely violent because this is a violent lifestyle out here in the drug world, particularly the armed robbery world. Uh, it was really a violent lifestyle and, and some of the leaders became, you know, they kind of did away with some of their own stay under the radar rules and became flashy, especially these big guys in, in New York, like, uh, uh, Nicky Barnes, who was so well-known, and Frank Matthews. They were just so well-known. Now, Frank Matthews, let’s talk about him first. He was referred to as the Black Caesar. He also had another nickname called Pee-wee. He was probably one of the most famous black gangsters in America, mainly because the press covered him. He had a large scale of heroin and cocaine drug operations. He started in the middle 60s, 1965, and he disappeared in 1973.
[4:28]And they say, and he did have an extravagant lifestyle in his prime, you know, leather fur coats and jewelry and showing up at the big prize fighting matches. They like to show up with an entourage at a prize fighting match. And he had $20 million in savings, supposedly. You know, he was born a poor country boy, as they say, down in Durham, North Carolina, just like any other mobster you ever heard of. Left school when he was like 14 or 15 years old. Started in with a little teenage gang. He was stealing chickens down there in the country. Moved north to Philadelphia, which there was a huge move north back in the 50s and 60s by black folks. And got into the numbers because the numbers in poor neighborhoods, the numbers is a big moneymaker and the number one crime that’s going on. It’s only a crime because the government made it a crime because, you know, we have the lottery now. He then fell in with something that was already there, a guy called Major Coxon, who I don’t really know anything about. And he had this drug operation going. It was calling itself the Black Mafia by then.
[5:46]He started dealing heroin in 1965. At that time, in 1965, the American mafia, the Italian mafia, controlled the main heroin supply, like, you know, out of Turkey, out of through Montreal, maybe through Cuba at one time. Well, he got a relationship with a Cuban mafia boss, Orlando Gonzalez, gonzalez and uh he got it direct from south america through miami and then he was able to bring it up and and had his own network he had a much better you know connect the connect is the thing if you’re gonna run a cocaine and heroin business you gotta have the good connect uh gonzalez will die and and frank really like took it all over himself and and just just kept going and going and going he had two vast huge drug operations in brooklyn one was called the ponderosa the other was the okay corral corral that if you think about it the ponderosa was a rancid and um oh i can’t even think of the name of it now with hoss and little joe and paul and all them uh and uh you know gunfight at the okay corral so you know they kind of like based on those movies which were extremely popular they had a lot of westerns when i was a kid it was It was all Westerns on TV, and Western movies were really popular.
[7:11]The DEA will say that he handled…
[7:17]All the heroin in all the major cities on the East Coast.
[7:20]Got indicted in 72, charged with tax evasion and distribution of heroin. He didn’t show up in court, and nobody’s ever seen him since.
[7:31]
Frank Lucas: Harlem Crime Boss
[7:29]He’s probably dead by now. So number two, Frank Lucas. Frank Lucas became the main crime boss in Harlem, New York, in the late 60s. And he got into the heroin trafficking business at an early age. He had to deal with the Italian mafia. mafia uh he also came up from north carolina uh mainly because he was running for the law or maybe a lynching down there he didn’t know but he had to had to leave that country area and came up into the city and saw this this huge heroin business and and he actually he realized he had to break the italian mafia’s monopoly on the heroin trade in order to really make any money Otherwise, he was always going to be subservient to these mafia guys, which, you know, had this long established organization. But the Italian mafia can only establish so much in the black community because black community is, you know, pretty insular and have their own rules. And the white guys are on the outside looking in. They have to depend on the cooperation of black guys to move into that community. Now, he makes a connection with a U.S. Army sergeant named Leslie Ike Atkinson.
[8:47]Went to Bangkok and seen, you know, we had all this, all these planes going back and forth between Southeast Asia and particularly Vietnam during the time. We’re right in the middle of the Vietnam War. They figured out a way to put drugs in furniture and bring it back.
[9:06]Just crazy. You know, they made about, I don’t know, 50, $60 million. He bought property, had expensive cars and clothes and several homes. He gets indicted in 1976.
[9:19]He gets 70 years. He eventually goes in witness protection, testifies against some mob guys. And, you know, if you think about it, if you realize this, the 2007 American Gangster movie with Denzel Washington is based loosely on the life of Frank Lucas. Now, here’s another guy, Leroy Nicky Barnes. He founded something called the Council, which was a black organized crime syndicate. He was always called the untouchable out in his neighborhood because he could always evade arrest and he was always getting out of different charges. And of course, you know, the New York City Police Department at the time was you might be able to slide a little money here and there. And the DEA was not that big a deal early on in the 50s and 60s. He also got into international drug trafficking. He was partnered up with the Italian American Mafia in New York. And he really at one time he was the dominant drug lord in Harlem. I know in Kansas City, we always usually had one guy who was kind of the kingpin. To be a different guy, you know, it was Doc Dibbon for a while. It was Aaron Gant, maybe, in a certain area. The Kelton brothers had their own operation.
[10:42]
Larry Hoover: Chicago Street Gang Leader
[10:39]Farther out south, there were some different guys kind of by neighborhoods. They would be known as the kingpin of narcotics in that particular area.
[10:48]You know, at a young age, he was in prison in 1965 for drugs, and he met Crazy Joey Gallo at the Colombo crime family. And that’s the guy that, you know, when they talk about Joey Gallo made connections with black gangsters in prison, it was Nicky Barnes is who he made a connection with. Now, maybe Nicky Barnes provided the guy to kill Joe Colombo. I don’t know, but Gallo taught him, you know, room, more professional drug trafficking, and they partnered up in that. Uh, he started recruiting people when he got out and formed something called the council had seven guys in it, uh, spread out to Pennsylvania and Canada. He laundered money. He said, uh, he got front companies that were car dealerships. Uh of course he started extravagantly spending money and they say now get this i don’t know supposedly he had seven over seven million dollars worth of clothes that he owned according to the new york times back then got convicted got died and convicted in 1978 in prison he turned informant.
[12:00]Claimed that the council were mismanaging his assets and one of the men in this was having an affair with his mistress so that’s why he went into witness protection he implicated 100, some people including all of these council members went into witness protection and died in 2012 from cancer larry hoover now we go to chicago now larry hoover was born in 1950 on the south side of chicago and he was a leader and one of the founders of the black gangster disciples which was the a major street gang in the city at the time and really kind of goes on today. The Black Gangster Disciples has been huge. It kind of came out of two different Chicago-based street gangs, the Black Disciples and the Supreme Gangsters. But under his leadership, he brought them together. He got things professionalized, shall we say, and got into drug trafficking, which drugs, again, it just gives you so much money, and it needs organization. You’ve got to have suppliers. You’ve got to have people for transport.
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Jeff Fort: Chicago Street Gang Leader
[13:07]You’ve got to have people to package. You’ve got to have people to test. You’ve got to have people to go out and sell, and you’ve got to have people to collect money when buyers go screwy on you, and violence is wrapped up all around in that.
[13:25]He was a smart guy in Chicago. On the south side of Chicago, if you’ve ever been there, there’s all these projects that just run for miles down through there. And Chicago and Chicago politics and the community organizers and the community down in these black projects to keep the vote coming out. They put a lot of money into it and programs. So he got involved with that and portrayed himself as a community organizer and promoted social programs within his gangster disciples. I mean, he it was his image in the public was complex, shall we say. I read a book about it was an academic that spent about a year in one of these projects. And he talked about how these, these gangsters, these black gangsters would be part of all the, the housing or home committees in a particular project building. And they were, you know, on the surface, they were helping with projects and helping with social programs and, you know, providing, helping to bribe babysitting and access to food programs and all those kinds of things. So it’s, it’s always a, uh, uh.
[14:40]Dual-edged sword, if you will, for some of these guys. They’re complex characters many times, but the bottom line is always money. It’s always money and power. And there he got political power, and he was making a lot of money off the drugs. He formed something. He had vision. This Hoover dude had vision. He formed the Folk Nation Alliance, and he united a lot of different street gangs gangs, uh, under, you know, particular ideologies and, and their symbols that they use and put them together, uh, extended clear out to Kansas city. We had black gangster disciples down in Kansas city at one time and Latin Kings. And I think that came out of Chicago and started seeing their graffiti appearing here. He had real strategic vision and influence in shaping that landscape of street gangs in Chicago.
[15:33]Even after he went to prison, he went to prison for murder in 1973, but he continued to control the black gangster disciples from behind the bars, behind bars.
[15:51]
Big Meech: Detroit Drug Trafficker
[15:43]And, you know, finally in 1997, the feds got him and he got conspiracy to engage in racketeering. And they really forced, they accused him and got into this.
[16:00]Running the gangster disciples from prison and other activities, illegal activities out of the prison. And he got a long time of incarceration in the super max and ADX Florence. And I don’t know if you know anything about it. If you’re a high level dangerous professional criminal or terrorist, and you go to ADX Florence, you’re locked down, buddy. You are locked down. You’re in one cell and you have your own little private exercise area. You don’t even talk to other prisoners. You don’t go out in the yard. It’s something else. So now let’s go on to Chicago. Another name that I was pretty familiar with was Jeff Ford. He may be, he’s more famous to me than that other guy. Jeff Ford, he’s saying, there’s what I read. His name is synonymous with the dark underbelly of Chicago. Chicago, he came in later on and later on in the 19 or 1900s, um, born in 1947, started, he founded something called the black P stones gang in South side, Chicago in the 1960s. That’s how big South side of Chicago is got the black gangsters disciples, but you also got the black P stones, both a major, major street gangs, uh.
[17:22]You know, under his leadership, they became a powerful force in all criminal activities and drug trafficking, racketeering, gambling, just keeping everybody in line with what the gang wanted. They also reached out beyond Chicago. They had some influence down in Kansas City, and he really was a significant player in the national landscape. He was quite a guy.
[17:52]It turned a little bit of a darker turn, and he got involved in politics, and I’m talking about international politics. And in the 1980s, Jeff Fort was convicted on federal charges for conspiring with Libya to perform acts of domestic terrorism in the United States. Now, think about that. This is a revelation that highlights the intersection of American street gangs and international terrorism. Terrorism uh i mean these guys you send the terrorists you get a bunch of iranians and you come to the united states well if you don’t have some place to hide some connections some way to figure out what’s going on think about yourself if you went to iran and you went to syria what would you do you got to make connections with somebody and he made they libyans were making connections with Jeff Ford and the black gangster disciples, uh, oops, black P stones. I got wrong, messed up on that one, black P stones. And then that gives them, you know, a lot of, of connections to, you know, buy dynamite, buy guns, hide out, get false, false IDs. You know, these guys, uh, you know, that you have to operate with criminals and the international terrorist network. work, you have to figure out how to operate with criminals. And so if they don’t have that, but they got that with, uh, with the black P stones.
[19:21]He ended up in, guess where, Supermax, ADX Florence, Florence, Colorado. That’s probably the last we’ll ever see of Jeff Fort. You know, when he was out in the more general population, he was running his gang like crazy from Leavenworth or Marion or wherever he was from. Another guy called Big Meech, Demetrius Flanory. He he was a co-founder of the Black Mafia family, which was a notorious drug trafficking organization, didn’t rise to prominence till the 1990s in the early 2000s. And their hometown was Detroit. But they reached out to other major cities in the United States. I tell you, this drug thing is just talk about just it’s just rips in the fabric of society, the narcotics addiction.
[20:13]And, you know, in a way, I mean, these guys, they see a way to make money and they’re willing to pay the price. It’s more like you can’t do anything about the supply, the demand. You know, maybe I talk about at the end of every podcast about getting into recovery. Maybe you can do something by reducing the demand because they don’t have the demand. They’re going to have to do something else.
[20:41]
Thomas Fischer: Apollo Theater Owner
[20:37]These guys, the Black Mafia family was was kind of a unique organization. Organization and they, they were into politics. Uh, they blended into street operations. They, uh, they were really marked by their extravagant lifestyle up there in Detroit, flashy cars, luxury property properties, you know, and then Detroit, uh, you got a big music industry, especially back then. All the black musicians that started out by Motown Music. And so they were connected with the music industry. And, you know, pretty soon it’s the rap industry. And it’s just a huge amount of money there. Plus the large-scale drug distribution and money laundering and other racketeering. They were pretty unique because of this, their ostentatious display of wealth, they tell me.
[21:31]Me again big meets not 2008 catches some federal charges drug trafficking money laundering and racketeering and he’s got a federal sentence a life sentence that fci shared in the last i heard of i didn’t go check it for sure here we got a guy thomas guy thomas fisher our friend guy thomas Thomas was born in the Bronx, and he started out at Nicky Barnes in the council.
[22:01]His operation, he continued on after Nicky Barnes left and really, well, it got big. He purchased the Apollo Theater in 1977. First black man to ever own it and run it. It was like the most famous venue for black artists for years and years and years.
[22:23]Years. Well, Guy Fischer, he fell when Nicky Barnes fell. Nicky Barnes became an informant, and he brought Guy Fischer down. He goes down for life, and actually, he was out. He got out on a medical pardon there in 2020, so he’s out and about. I’d be curious. He might know anything about Guy Thomas Fischer, what he’s doing today.
[22:46]Stanley Tookie Williams, one of the most infamous gangsters in america uh spree killing terrorizing people he and a guy named raymond washington co-founded the notorious you know when the notorious crips gang well i remember when this crips and blood first started hitting it been going for a while before it got out to the midwest but it eventually got here and it was the first major major black street gang in american out of south central la uh i mean he grew up you know on the streets middle of a lot of drug abuse and and drug dealings and gambling and betting on anything neighborhood guys dice games to social clubs that that had a lot had a lot of action going on in social clubs in a black community he was a good street fighter he had a heck of a reputation you know again he, went in and out of the system several times and he ended up with this raymond washington and they formed his crypts of course the the crypts were a disparate group of really smaller set what they call sets and but they they were marked if you wore blue you were a crypt.
[24:05]And then some of the smaller gangs didn’t really want to be part of something else. And they like red. So they formed the Bloods. Now, I don’t know exactly, you know, who formed the Bloods, but the Bloods and the Bloods were always the Bloods were more of an organized one gang, whereas the Crips were a whole lot of different sets. So it’s a lot, lot looser. And both of them are not really as near as organized as these other people I’ve been talking about. When they moved into kansas city you know they moved in with one set of some crips and they started they had their own connection they started bringing kilos of cocaine cocaine and we end up taking them off uh off the train actually they bring them in on the train there’s la to chicago train that comes through kansas city and they were bringing them through the train i went down we were going to go do the surveillance on that daily train that comes through and i went in the bathroom and there was all this blood and crimp graffiti in the bathroom of the Kansas City Union Station. It’s like, oh, my God, they are here. No doubt about it.
[25:28]One of these guys that formed the Crips, Raymond Williams, was convicted in 1981 of murder and robbery, and he got the death penalty. He appealed it, maintained his innocence, but he finally is executed. This guy, Erson One, is executed by lethal ejection in 2005.
[25:48]
Ellsworth Bumpy Johnson: Harlem Crime Boss
[25:48]Here’s one. Let’s go back a little bit again. Ellsworth Bumpy Johnson. He was born in 1905. He’s one of the early ones. I probably should have started out with him. Now, we all know Bumpy Johnson. If you saw that Godfather of Harlem movie with Forrest Whitaker and I can’t remember the guys that played the chin gigante.
[26:12]But that movie tell told about Bumpy Johnson. He was one of the main crime bosses in Harlem during the 30s and 40s before all these other guys came along. Suppose they had a big bump on the back of his head. That’s why they called him Bumpy.
[26:27]
Samuel Christian: Philadelphia Black Mafia
[26:27]Uh a he uh had a real bitterness and hatred against whites he let people know that of course by you grew up a black man in the 30s and 40s and 20s i can understand grew up in the south of course people were being lynched all the time mother sent him up north to live with his sister had already come up north to harlem dropped out of high school the usual deal started doing shady deals and some other gangsters took note of him. And pretty soon he got into the numbers racket.
[27:00]He became a principal associate of the numbers. Queen Madame Stephanie Sinclair was the numbers queen, the biggest, uh, uh, numbers operator in Harlem is a huge amount of money. And then they had this crime war with Dutch Schultz. Dutch Schultz wants to take over kind of like Sam Giancano took over from Teddy row. And there’s another guy in, in Chicago, Dutch Schultz in New York. He’s going to take over the black policy, which cause there’s so much money and all kinds of murders and kidnappings. And 1950s Johnson gets convicted. The government catches him in a drug conspiracy, a heroin conspiracy, gets 15 years. That’s kind of the end of his crime career. He comes out in 1963, same year I graduated from high school, died of heart failure by 1968. Okay, we’re up to number nine. Samuel Christian, also known as Suleiman Bay, the Philadelphia Black Mafia, born in Philadelphia in 1939. He formed the Philadelphia Black Mafia. I did a story on the more modern Philadelphia Black Mafia. I was talking about that earlier.
[28:14]Of course, they were doing heroin because that was the drug of choice in the black community. Before crack came along, black community’s drug of choice was weed. But the really bad drug that took people down was heroin, a lot of heroin addiction.
[28:31]He kind of gets political, too. He gets real political. He gets into the Black Panther Party in the 60s. Then he joins the Nation of Islam, which is a black nationalist organization based around Islam, formed by Wallace Fard Muhammad. We had our own black Muslim program here, and there was a little set of them, a crew of them that were robbing banks. They were involved with some heroin trafficking in Kansas City, too. So the Black Mafia’s members of the Black Mafia joined and converted to Islam, and they called themselves the Muslim Mob, probably one of the most violent and cold-blooded operations in Philadelphia ever. Kept everybody in check. Murdered a lot of people.
[29:22]
Raymond Thompson: Crips Gang Co-Founder
[29:22]He died in 2016. he was never really convicted he had his murder charges in the 70s got out in lack of evidence okay the other member of the and co-founder of the crips gang raymond thompson he he was a fistfighter in south central l.a and and joined these different one of some different different little gang one called the chain gang and the AC Ducey and the avenues and kind of, you know, like each block had their own gang. Then they started unifying the gangs and, and that’s, you know, how, kind of how the Crips were formed. But again, like I said, they were not one formal gang. They were a variety of sets and a lot of fighting between the two of them. Not they didn’t really become some kind of any kind of a major kind of an influence on society is all other than on the younger kids now younger kids all became cool to like wear your hat like that or like that and have blue or red whatever and i think even to this day there’s there are certain things about those colors and saw the movie colors great movie by the way i worked I was working our street gangs on loan, and my attack squad was on loan to the narcotics when we went after these guys when they first started moving into Kansas City.
[30:51]So some of the movies about these. There’s American Gangster. I mentioned that one before with Denzel Washington about Frank Lewis. New Jack City. I remember seeing that not long after it came out. It wasn’t bad. Director was pretty good, Mario Bum Peoples. and Wesley Snipes was the charismatic drug lord in that.
[31:11]Dealt a little bit with the consequences of addiction. Menace to Society, that’s a pretty good movie, too. As they say, I read this unflinching portrayal of life in South Central L.A., and it was unflinching. Harsh realities faced by a lot of young black guys and systemic issues within that society. You’d probably say I’m a flaming liberal, but there are problems. Them. So I go into city court as a lawyer. I’m like the only white guy in there. Many times, all the defendants are black super fly. You remember super fly. I’ll tell you a funny story about that. We had a young black policeman at the time and I knew his buddy really well. Um, and, and all of a sudden this young guy quit the police department and he started pimping.
[32:01]We’d see him on the street and he had two or three girls working for him. And I was talking to his He’s a buddy, and he said, you know, he said, we went to see Superfly, and this dude changed. And from then on, he wanted to be a pimp, and he did. I don’t know whatever happened to him. I think he was driving a bus. Last time I heard of him or saw him actually driving a bus, this was the blaxploitation film they used to call those. It was like the best one of all those blaxploitation films out of the 70s and 80s. Peyton Fool, it’s on YouTube. They say, I don’t know anything about this. It’s about a Harlem drug dealer. Of course, the one, Mobster’s Godfather of Harlem. I thought it was a series on Netflix or Prime. I can’t remember. One of those streaming channels. I thought it was pretty good. I mean, you had to suspend your reality sometimes. You had to believe things that probably weren’t true, or at least to get into it. Hoodlum, that’s another story about Ellsworth’s Bumpy Johnson. Lawrence Fishburne plays Bumpy Johnson. City of God, I saw that once a long time ago. It’s a Brazilian movie, and it’s set in what they call the fabulas, which is the ghettos in Rio de Janeiro.
[33:31]Again, it kind of catches the life, real life in the slums in Rio and how crime affects each continuing generation. Kingdom Come, that’s on YouTube. And it’s not a traditional gangster film, but it kind of talks about familiar relationships of people from the streets. It’s got LL Cool J and Jada Pinkett Smith, Whoopi Goldberg, pretty top-named people, which means it has good production values. Training Day, oh my God, Training Day, that movie, I really never knew any policemen who quite liked Denzel Washington. Could you believe Denzel Washington? I mean, he was that guy. he was not the denzel washington from you know any other movie i’d seen him he’s that good an actor he was scary he was he was something else they say he was morally ambiguous well yeah no shit and ethan hawke won his new new first roles and he was good you know the harsh realities of policing as they say in south central la uh it was denzel put on a hell of a performance i don’t to get an award out of that. I don’t think so.
[34:46]Belly, it’s on YouTube. I don’t know much about it. It’s more up in the rap and hip-hop era. Not really my cup of tea. So that’s kind of a little extra story about the top 10 black gangsters in the United States. So don’t forget to like and subscribe. And if you have a problem with PTSD, if you’ve been in the street gang, I don’t know where you go. You have to go get your life of crime. You have to go get your therapy somewhere else, but go get it. There’s help out there. But if you’ve been in the service, go to the VA website and get that hotline number. And if you have a problem with drugs or alcohol, go see former Gambino soldier, Anthony Ruggiano. He’s got a hotline on his website. He’s a drug and alcohol counselor down in Florida.
[35:37]If you like to ride motorcycles, join me one of these days. Let me know, take a trip and come through Kansas city. We’ll get some coffee and we’ll go for a ride. I’ll show you the good rides around here. And, but if you’re in the car, watch out for motorcycles and like, and subscribe. If I think I said that before, I don’t know guys. Anyhow, I’m just having fun here today doing a little extra show and a little something. I think I saw a, maybe there’s a YouTube or a newspaper article or something about the top 10, uh, black gangsters in the, in the United States. And I found some stuff online, of course, and thought I’d bring this to you. Thanks a lot, guys.